A discussion forum for people living with diabetes and those involved in diabetes care in the UK. September 25th - October 31st 2005

General pt 2 - Closed

Diabetes is one of the greatest challenges facing the UK today. Since 1996 the number diagnosed with the condition has increased from 1.4 million to just over 2 million. Previous estimates put the cost of diabetes related care at around 5% of NHS spending every year. That is up to £10 million a day treating the condition and its complications.

Much of this cost is spent in treating complications which should be prevented. Up to half of people with diabetes are developing complications by the time they are diagnosed and it is still estimated that a million people have diabetes in the UK but remain undiagnosed.

  • Do you think that your care has improved since the National Frameworks were introduced, over the past four years?
  • Do you think the Government’s approach is right?
  • What would you like to see from your local diabetes care?

Note on 'General' topic space

Posted by Barry on 14/10/2005 - 10:21

After careful consideration and referring to good practice guidelines, we have cleared the ‘General’ topic space of all posts. This is to make sure that the discussions are accessible to all – newcomers and more experienced participants alike.

Participants who have taken the time to post in this space should be reassured that their contributions will be in the end report and/or transcripts, they just will not be viewable on the site for the remainder of the Dialogue.

There are only 2 weeks left and we would urge participants to focus on the four main priority areas in the forum.

If you have any questions about this process please feel free to contact us at edemocracy@hansard.lse.ac.uk

Here is a list of the issues raised in the general section so far:

  • The cost allowances for consultations
  • Wish list for all Diabetes Care Teams
  • Increasing support for the patient, the family, the carer.
  • Chiropody services for people with diabetes
  • Diet – matching the insulin to the carbohydrates
  • Student diabetics care
  • Local diabetes networks
  • Availability of insulin – human and animal

Best wishes,

Moderation team

Department of Health Support for Animal Insulin

Posted by Derek Beatty on 14/10/2005 - 14:57

Well done the IDDT.

I was delighted to read the letter to the IDDT from the Rt Hon Jane Kennedy MP, Minister of State, Department of Health, that the 'Department of Health fully accepts that some people are better suited to animal insulin and that animal insulin should continue to be made available.'

I am also pleased to learn from the same letter that the Department of Health is also addressing adverse reactions to human insulin and hypoglycaemia unawareness to be undertaken by the MHRA and laise with the National Diabetes Support Team (NSDT).

Novo Nordisk has informed the Department of Health that it will make a decision in 2006 concerning continued availability of animal insulin. Wockhardt has recently underlined its committment in this field by seeking registration for its porcine insulin range in Canada.

Although the market for animal insulins is relatively small, around 30,000 patients in the UK, it is essential that patients be given a choice of insulin best suited to treat their chronic condition. I hope the dreadful days of the side effects of human insulin are behind me and many others for ever but at least thanks to the IDDT I can have a reasonable quality of life with animal insulin for the next few years and hopefully for the remainder of my life, thank you IDDT.

Full details of the letter to the IDDT from the Rt Hon Jane Kennedy MP can be seen at www.iddtinternational.org

Derek Beatty

General

Posted by andrewsax on 14/10/2005 - 17:25

I am extremely satisfied with my care. I alternate between my local surgery (Cowbridge) where there is a special diabetic clinic and the Princess of Wales Hospital Bridgend. the service is highly personalised and i do not feel in any way rushed. Over the last three to four years my blood suger control has improved somewhat. i have nothing but praise for the staff involved at both venues.

Pregnancy and diabetes

Posted by Carrie on 14/10/2005 - 18:07

Following the publication of the study on pregnancies for women with established diabetes by CEMACH this week, I would like to raise awareness of the care available to women with diabetes. Pregnancy is a major event in any woman's life, and if she has diabetes, skilled support has been shown to make a big difference to outcome. Clinics which combine antenatal and diabetes care are the gold standard and are now available in most areas. However there is often not enough time in the clinic to offer the emotional support required. There is not much public recognition of the role of the Diabetes Specialist Midwife, and I would suggest that this role should be given more public recognition so that it can be developed for the sake of the women that need specialist support. This could ideally start in the pre-conception period so that relationships can build up, the women should then be able to self refer in early pregnancy and care followed through the rest of the pregnancy.
Carrie

General

Posted by lawrenn on 14/10/2005 - 18:31

I am a T2 on Insulin, and am refered to the Diabetic Clinic at Nottingham City Hospital 30 mins drive away (no NHS transport available, no public transport). I feel that in the past 4 years my care has deteriorated.

I have been moved onto 6 monthly checkups, but in practice the appointments given are over 7 months ahead. For the past three cycles the clinic has unilaterally changed the original appointment and I have been "fitted in" to another session, meaning that the average is 8.5 months between clinics.
Because I have been fitted in I have to wait hours, and then get a very brief consultation. For my last the initial appointment was moved back 1 month by the hospital to clash with my holidays. To resolve this I had to be fitted in to a clinic 5 weeks later again. I was told to arrive a 2pm, & saw a House Officer at 5:15 for 5 mins. My check up comprised a urine test, a long wait in a narrow corridor and a brief chat - no blood pressure test, no examination but a referal to another consultant - 17 weeks wait.

I feel the goverment is right to increase the emphasis on Diabetes, we are facing a pandemic. But it must provide the resources. And it must also strive for a change in the culture of Diabetes Care. Concentrating care in specialist clinics leaves it difficult to access for the majority of patients. Cavalier changes to appointments just make life more difficult. We are supposed to be getting a "Patient Led NHS" - lets start with Diabetes.

I would like to see
- Routine checkups at a Medical Centre convenient to me - why not train up senior nurses to perform routine checkups.
- Retinal examinations at local Opticians
- Podiatry available to all that need it. I need it to prevet problems developing, but the local service cannot cope with those whose problems are already severe, so if you can still walk you need to find & pay for private Chiropody.
- Respect for patients.

Driving Licences

Posted by lawrenn on 14/10/2005 - 18:36

Once on Insulin (& possibly whilst on tablets) the DVLC takes a close interest in ones ability to drive. So far they have proved very efficient and twice I have had my licence renewed promptly.

Even so, the receipt of a letter saying that ones driving licence is to be withdrawn comes as a nasty shock to the system. Could they not be more sensitve?

Reply to Nigel (Page 6 etc) & Dr Morris (Pages 10, 12) in Part 1

Posted by Roger Grant on 16/10/2005 - 14:29

Please excuse the delay. It does not come easily for some medics to recognize there are people out here whose background gives them insights into the mutual problems that the blinkered medical approach does not always provide. It is part of my mission to encourage medics to be more curious and adventurous - like any well run company. In other words, kiss a few frogs (but not lethal ones) and discover that one finds the occasional prince(ss).

Your description of the OptimumCarbDiet (OCD) as a “halfway-house” between starchy diets and low-carb diets could make it sound vaguely derived. It is in fact an actual weight of any food (or mixture of foods) that, for the Type 2 diabetic’s condition, must not be exceeded if the eater wishes to keep their blood glucose below 9-10 mmol/L by diet-only control. Dr Bernstein tells people to find these for themselves, but OCD provides a relationship that saves them most of this (considerable) testing. (The OCD research apart, I only need to test once weekly). Add in OCD’s numerous refinements, and my blood sugar never knowingly goes above 9.0 mmol/L. One might eat less and stay lower. When eating out I follow OCD principles.

The carb weights eaten in OCD are high enough to meet the ADA and DUK healthy eating guidelines. OCD enables and recommends rigorous adherence to these guidelines, but patients follow them more casually. It also recommends 5 fruit and veg daily, etc. So by providing both an acceptably low HbA1c while still being on the side of the ADA/DUK angels, OCD defines the grey middle ground that led to starchy diet and low-carb diet over-compensation. If the diabetic’s condition is such that they can safely eat so little carb that the amount is below the ADA/DUK’s guidelines, the medic has to decide whether they drop to Joslin’s 40% carb, go to even lower carb, or enlist the aid of medication. The Patient’s Printout can be edited by the medic accordingly.

I believe that DietControlDiabetes (DCD), with its OCD, is head-and-shoulders above anything else available for maintaining Type 2 diet-alone control over the medium term (and I hope long term). It does require commitment by the diabetic, which not all are able or willing to give - because it provides a whole hog of information needed to fulfil the individual’s potential. Although OCD is not complicated, to do a better job one does need its extra hard data and better diabetic education. Those willing to benefit should not be held back by having access to only the present dumbed down incomplete knowledge. OCD is essentially ordinary eating (ie: nothing weird), with quantity and timing constraints, so does not need extensive trials. For others and those on medication, DESMOND is probably the best available. So medics in diabetes should have both available.

Some GPs have baulked at DCD because of the extra time needed initially to convey the information. (It is actually highly streamlined.) This should be more than repaid downstream. In my eighth year since diagnosis, I need only two visits annually to my Practice Nurse and am very happy with that.

I certainly agree with Nigel about “lip service”. Too many fine words are spoken and written about diabetes. They waste person-decades of reading time, subsequently disappoint, and ultimately disillusion. An example came when I tried to bring OCD’s breakthrough approach, to keeping people off medication and DCD’s comprehensive education for medics and patients, to the attention of the individual who described their own job (in a “Diabetes Update” interview) as: “There are lots of levers out there. What’s needed is someone to take an overview and make sure every possible lever is being used for diabetes. That’s where I fit in.” I asked this individual in person to look at the DCD/OCD compact disk, and they refused point blank.

The paragraph of my Website, which mentioned a pharmaceutical company sponsored the first Dialogue, also recorded that my contribution on DCD/OCD had not been included in the first Dialogue’s Web pages or in its printed report. I wrote to the organizers complaining about the “remarkably bad judgement” in allowing such sponsorship.

Testing strips for type 2

Posted by Yolande on 16/10/2005 - 18:02

The only way that you can tell how your diet is affecting your blood glucose is to TEST. If the NSF guidelines about patients taking control of their own diabetes is to have any validity patients have to be allowed to TEST.

Unfortunately, although lip service is being paid to the idea of self-help - at the same time GPs are limiting the amount of test strips per patient.

If the limitation is due to cost - then pressure should be put on the manufacturers to sell to the NHS at lower costs - after all if the NHS did not buy strips - where would the makers be?

Yolande

Testing strips for type 2

Posted by noelphobic on 16/10/2005 - 18:15

According to Roger, if you follow his diet you only need to test once a week

'The OCD research apart, I only need to test once weekly'

Sounds potentially dangerous to me!!!

Type 2 Diabetes

Posted by Richard Turner on 16/10/2005 - 18:56

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 1994 and I am now on insulin. I am in general very pleased with the treatment that I have received from both my GP and the diabetes clinic and my local hospital.

My one problem is that I do not fit the standard "model" for a type 2 diabetic i.e. that type 2 diabetes is associated with obesity.

I have never been obese. My diabetes is almost certainly inherited. To my knowledge my paternal grandmother, my father and my sister are/were also diabetic.

Although I am almost 64 I still run competitively, and run for an hour or more 3 times a week.

I find it difficult to convince health professionals that there are positives in my lifestyle which contribute to my living a normal life with diabetes.

The tendency is, because there is such a large number of type 2 diabetics, to provide a standardised treatment. It is obvious that every patient should be treated as an individual but sometimes it is a struggle if you do not fit the mould.